May 19 2006

The jobs we won’t do.

Published by Karl at 2:59 am under Illegal immigration

We hear that phrase a lot these days, in the broiling discussions about immigration and illegal immigrants.  We hear that they fill a need in our workforce by "doing the jobs we won’t do".  The implication is that the immigrants are a good thing, that they fill a gap that needs filling, often in agriculture or service industries.  But while they intend this in a  feel good smarmy way, there is really a very dark and ugly reality. 

You see the only reason that equation works, is that they are here illegally and won’t complain about the wages, hours or conditions making them ripe for employers who are more then willing to exploit them.  There is a vast market for this pool of willing workers.

The problem is, and what bugs me the most, is they may be right. 

There really are jobs that the average American will not take because they either won’t do them, or they do not pay enough to make a living on.  The wage gap is fairly severe when the minimum wage is really only $5.15 an hour, where as skilled labor averages are considerable higher.  Some states pay more, but some do not.

There are a lot of contributing factors.  Inflation and cost of living.  Unions demanding ever increasing wages.  Rising costs of benefits.  The government tries to help with aid programs, but they end up making the problem worse.  Consider that when I was laid off of a contract position in 2004, I was eligible for unemployment.  While I was job hunting on unemployment I was ignoring  jobs that paid 13 dollars an hour, almost twice the state minimum wage because unemployment paid more.

But even leaving money aside, there is that ugly reality that deep inside of us, I think too many people don’t really mind letting someone else do the scut work for us.  I know some bloggers liken this to modern slavery, and while I see their point, i think that is an emotionally baited parallel.  But is it too close to the truth?  Is the 21st century plantation a lettuce field in Central California?

These comments invariably lead to more emotional posturing about racism, but this is not a racial issue at all.  It’s about work ethics and laziness.

I think we, particularly this generation, have a problem with hard work sometimes.  Hillary Clinton made a remark to that extent recently and while I hate like hell agreeing with her, she has a point:

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/63643.htm

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton lashed out at the instant-gratification generation yesterday, saying young adults "think work is a four-letter word."

"Kids, for whatever reason, think they’re entitled to go right to the top with $50,000 or $75,000 jobs when they have not done anything to earn their way up," the Dems’ 2008 White House front-runner said.

"A lot of kids don’t know what work is. They think work is a four-letter word," she told a Republican-leaning audience gathered at the annual U.S. Chamber of Commerce convention.

The fallout from this was immediate, and in one sense close, to home.  Everyone trotted out the example of this or that hard working youth.  And they are right, there are many hard working kids working everyday.

But her sternest critic is in sense proof of her being on track:  Daughter Chelsea.  Chelsea can hardly be lauded as a modern example of hard work.  She has the very best of opportunities handed to her at every step of her life, and now as a college grad a nice cushy 6 figure income job as well.  Yet she called to complain to her mom that she worked hard and her friends did too.

But there is a difference between working hard and hard work.

Take me for example.  I am a Computer Analyst, and make an OK salary crunching numbers and researching.  28 years ago I started my working career tossing frozen beef patties at a fast food joint.

In between I was:

  • A bus boy
  • A dishwasher
  • A paper boy
  • Assembled PC boards
  • Washed cars
  • Delivered furniture
  • Did shipping and receiving
  • Delivered flowers
  • Worked rides at an amusement park
  • Security Guard
  • Book store clerk
  • Pizza cook
  • Short order cook
  • Bartender
  • Grocery clerk

All those before age 22.  Then:

  • AF Aircraft Mechanic (which was 19 jobs in 1)
  • Pizza guy again 
  • Janitor
  • Parts driver
  • Grocery clerk again
  • Grocery stocker
  • Truck driver 
  • Inventory manager
  • Operations manager
  • Computer salesman
  • Aircraft assembler
  • Convenience store clerk
  • AF Reservist
  • Computer technician/analyst

Along the way I got a college degree, and 6 computer certifications.

Compare me to Chelsea.

  • Politicians kid
  • College kid
  • 6 figure income

Because I doubt she ever had to wait tables to get spending money at Stanford.

Now don’t misunderstand.  She played the hand life dealt her, and I cannot blame her.  She has had a life i frankly do not envy.  But in real terms, while she may work hard, she has probably never had to a day of hard work.  She also didn’t face any uncertainty about her career, or have to sweat out a tough interview, and she likely never will.  So be it.

So when we look at the employers who have their livelihood tied to this cheap source of labor, it just may be true we won’t have anyone to replace them when the wall goes up, and the hammer falls on the businesses.

Sure we can bump minimum wages and all that, but that never works in the long run, as cost of living goes up with it.

So we must ask ourselves, if the labor market dries up for illegals, assuming the government grows a spine and actually enforces the laws against these employers, will we be willing to slow down our Starbucks filled lives and do those dirty jobs?

I think we will.   SOme don’t and point to the need for a guest worker program.  Others believe that the wages are all that hold us back.

The LA Times however, does not.  They claim even at high wages we won’t work hard:

A Job Americans Won’t Do, Even at $34 an Hour

Some landscape firms rebut claims that higher pay, not immigration reform, is needed.

Cyndi Smallwood is looking for a few strong men for her landscaping company. Guys with no fear of a hot sun, who can shovel dirt all day long. She’ll pay as much as $34 an hour.

She can’t find them.

Maybe potential employees don’t know about her tiny Riverside firm. Maybe the problem is Southern California’s solid economy and low unemployment rate. Or maybe manual labor is something that many Americans couldn’t dream of doing.

Bluto at Stop the ACLU says Yeah, Right. Pull the Other One.

$34 an hour is nearly three times the starting base rate for a Transportation Security Administration airport sceener, yet somehow, the government managed to fill all of the screener positions - with US citizens - even in southern California. Somehow Cyndi can’t find gardeners for three times the pay?

I tend to agree with him, it sounds too fantastic.  That wage (UP To $34) is likely a supervisors slot because I cannot see how she could possibly stay in business paying people that, nor can I give credit to the notion that landscaping is such a tough job that 70k is not an enticement.

The article provides the answer:

As a government contractor, Diversified Landscape is required to pay prevailing wages as calculated by the state Department of Industrial Relations. Experienced laborers earn $34.24 an hour; untrained "tenders" make $14.17. Each work site is required to have an equal number of laborers and tenders.

So you have a 50 50 chance of being the experienced guy and not the tender.

Note please that government prevailing wage policies are at work here, and if this article is accurate, they aren’t helping.

So if the LA Times is right, at least as far this field is concerned, then we really are a lazy lot.  At least in Southern California.

Not making any conclusions here, but it is food for thought.  The issue of illegal immigrants and jobs is not a simple one.

We need to have a serious study and discussion of the problem and the needs, but we may also need to take a look at our culture too.  We may have helped make our own problem.

6 Responses to “The jobs we won’t do.”

  1. Thomon 19 May 2006 at 7:31 am

    Good grief…I wish I had known about Cyndi Smallwoods company when I was in LA!  I would have taken that job.

  2. Karlon 19 May 2006 at 7:36 am

    Thom,

    I’m tempted to send her my resume and see if she will pay relocation costs…..

  3. Angelon 19 May 2006 at 12:03 pm

    Well for one thing hun, the govt isnt growing a spine so this will never b relevant but the conservative minorites actually feel the illegals are taking the low paying jobs from minority youths…and I tend to agree…they cant even find jobs if they are all taken by Ilegal invaders can they?…Good grief Karl..u got some resume!

  4. Karlon 19 May 2006 at 1:35 pm

    Angel,

    In another time I would have been a jack of all trades I suppose, which is concept we don’t depend on much any more.

    :)

  5. Ron Hattonon 19 May 2006 at 3:10 pm

    Great post here, Karl. Not an opinion, but also just food for thought: Being single and not liking to eat alone, I eat out a lot. I see a lot of “problems” in the food industry, with having low-wage servers, etc., who are “unreliable,” “lazy,” and other epithets. At the same time, the restaurants are trying to keep prices low to where people will patronize their place, and so they don’t seem to be willing to offer wages that less “unreliable and lazy” workers will cause such people to want to work for them. Patrons want low prices, at restaurants as well as other businesses, and it seems to me that wages are the one area owners keep low. So, we have a situation where higher wages cause higher costs and prices, but lower wages cannot attract people of “stature”, let us say, so businesses hire less reputable people, or whatever category you want to place them in, bowing to patrons’ desires to pay as little as they can for the most they can get.
    At the same time, I do believe many young people have stars in their eyes about employment that does not involve hard work or, indeed, working hard. Those youngsters in this category may have had a combination of parents who always act like ATMs, never enforce chores or working to raise the cash needed to get whatever it is the kid wants (but doesn’t need). The “American Dream,” to these kids, is what Chelsea Clinton has - breeze through life without breaking a nail, let alone a sweat.
    I have no idea what the answer is. We have many middle class kids who would not “lower” themselves to do manual labor. Our Welfare system has created a class of people who have come to rely on getting checks for no work (not that I consider all people on welfare to be in that category, but I think it would be naive to say that there are not cases of people who would rather receive those checks without lifting a finger). There are non-Americans who will do whatever it takes to make even BELOW our minimum wage, because they are in TRUE poverty. Businesses, in an effort to keep prices in a range that Americans are willing to pay, as well as maximizing their profits in order to attain the American Dream, look for ways to pay workers as little as possible. The match is made. Quite a nightmare…

  6. Karlon 19 May 2006 at 3:34 pm

    Ron, You captured the real essence of the problem, and that is that it is so complex and has so many codependent elements, that any discussion on it has to be detailed, thougthful and sensible.

    Sadly these are not the traits the the government, the illegal advocates and the businesses really want to maintain consistently.

    A nightmare indeed

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