Oct 02 2006

Reality Check RE: Schools and guns- How about more guards and less feel good policies.

Published by Karl at 4:46 pm under Uncategorized

Ok, schools and guns are supposed to be a no brainer.  No guns.  Zero Tolerance.  We suspend a 5 year old who brings in a GI Joe pistol the size of a quarter.  Well done.

And yet, despite out rules, look what has happened lately?

Teen charged with shooting principal

A teenager who prised open his family’s gun cabinet brought two weapons to his rural school and shot the principal to death after a struggle with adults and other students, authorities said. 

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Man Holds Female Students Hostage in Colorado School

An adult gunman took two female students hostage at Platte Canyon High School in the tiny Colorado mountain town of Bailey Wednesday, in a standoff that has lasted more than three hour.

(ended with one student being killed when Police stormed the room)

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Pennsylvania Police: Amish School a ‘Horrendous Crime Scene’ After Shooting

At least two female students and one slightly older female — who may have been a teacher’s aide — were shot and killed execution style in what police say may be a revenge killing for something that happened 20 years ago.

(death toll updated to 4 killed execution style, 7 others in critical condition) 

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Anyone remember Kip Kinkle

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Anyone remember Columbine?

Enough?  Not hardly.  Also in the last 10 years (domestic only,  source Wikipedia):

  • February 2, 1996 Moses Lake, Washington, USA Armed with a high-powered hunting rifle and two handguns, 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis killed his algebra teacher and two students before taking hostages. He also shot a girl in the arm, who he released during the hostage situation. The incident ended when a teacher burst into the room and tackled him. Loukaitis is now serving life in prison.
  • February 2, 1996 Atlanta, Georgia, USA 12-year-old David Dubose killed a teacher in the hallway of his school with a pistol.
  • September 17, 1996 University Park, Pennsylvania, USA In the Hetzel Union Building shooting at The Pennsylvania State University, 19 year old Jillian Robbins opened fire on students walking to classes, killing one student and wounding another.
  • January 27, 1997 West Palm Beach, Florida, USA 13-year-old Tronneal Magnum shot and killed another student in front of his school.
  • February 19, 1997 Bethel, Alaska, USA Armed with a pump-action 12 gauge shotgun, Evan Ramsey killed a student and the principal of Bethel High School, and wounded two others. He is now serving a 210 year sentence.
  • October 1, 1997 Pearl, Mississippi, USA 16 year old Luke Woodham stabbed and beat his mother to death, then took a lever-action rifle to Pearl High School where he shot into a crowd of students, killing his ex-girlfriend Christina Menefee and her friend Lydia Kay Dew and wounded seven other students. Woodham later claimed that he did not remember killing his mother.
  • December 1, 1997 West Paducah, Kentucky, USA 14-year-old Michael Carneal carried five fully-loaded guns to Heath High School, shot at a prayer group, killing three students (Jessica James, Nichole Hadley and Kayce Steger) and wounding another five. Five of the victims were shot in the head, and three were hit in the upper torso. One of the wounded girls was paralyzed for life.
  • Jonesboro massacre - Craighead County (near Jonesboro), Arkansas, United States; March 24, 1998 (5 dead, 10 injured)
  • April 24, 1998 Edinboro, Pennsylvania, USA 14-year-old Andrew J. Wurst went to the school graduation dance where he shot and killed a popular science teacher. He subsequently opened fire on more students, wounding another teacher and two classmates before he ran out of ammunition.
  • November 20, 1999 Deming, New Mexico, USA A boy shot 13-year-old Aralecy Tena in the back of the head with a handgun at Deming Middle School. Tena died after being taken off of life support.
  • March 2000 Brannenburg, Bavaria, Germany A 16 year old student fatally shot a teacher and then turned the handgun on himself but survived, and has been in a coma ever since.
  • May 26, 2000 West Palm Beach, Florida, USA 13-year-old Nathaniel Brazill shot his English teacher, 35-year-old Barry Grunow, in the face on the last day of school.
  • March 5, 2001 Santee, California, USA Armed with .22 revolver, 15-year-old Charles Andrew Williams opened fire in a boy’s bathroom at Santana High School, killing two students. He then exited the bathroom and shot at nearby students, wounding 13. Shortly afterwards he retreated back into the toilets where he surrendered to police.
  • Appalachian School of Law shooting - Grundy, Virginia, United States; January 16, 2002 (3 dead)
  • April 24, 2003 Red Lion, Pennsylvania, USA 14-year-old James Sheets fatally shot his school principal in the cafeteria of his middle school before committing suicide.
  • September 24, 2003 Cold Spring, Minnesota, USA 15-year-old Jason McLaughlin shot Aaron Rollins and Seth Bartell at Rocori High School with a .22 pistol. Rollins died the same day; Bartell died October 10 of injuries sustained in the attack.[2]
  • November 8, 2005 Jacksboro, Tennessee, USA After reports that a freshman had a handgun, the principal and two assistant principals confronted student Kenneth Bartley Jr., who opened fire on them, killing one of the assistant principals and wounding the two others.

Or how about this one:

Yes, that one was terrorism, not a disgruntled milkman or a sicko rapist homeless guy.  Big deal.  Check the body count.

But they all share one thing:  People with guns broke into schools and killed people, mostly kids.

And it’s sick.

What gets me riled is that this is used to promote anti gun legislation.   Guns are not the problem. The problem is the sickos who charge into schools with guns.  "Oh sorry Mr sick ass murdering rapist, No guns allowed.

Stop, or I will say stop again! Whoop de doo. A lot of good that did these people. 

The schools have zero tolerance policies, which are stupid, overreacting and target the wrong people.  I am so freaking glad we ban toy guns and suspend those kids, and despite that firm grasp of standards, we cannot stop a gun toting transient from taking over a classroom, raping a bunch of girls, then killing one.  We will expel a kid for drawing a

Let me make it clear:  It does you no good to ban guns at school if you cannot stop people from entering the schools with guns anyway!

Can we hire some armed guards one of these days and protect our kids?   OR armed teachers?  Closed campuses where access is controlled?  Maybe searches?  Something?  Can we please protect the kids?

I have said it before, and I will again:

It’s a sick world.  Maybe we need to wake up to that reality, before terrorists do to us what they did in Beslan.

2 Responses to “Reality Check RE: Schools and guns- How about more guards and less feel good policies.”

  1. Playin Possumon 02 Oct 2006 at 8:44 pm

    I was with you until you tried to conflate this with terrorism…
     
    "It’s a sick world.  Maybe we need to wake up to that reality, before terrorists do to us what they did in Beslan."
     
    Glory glory Hallelujah! My teacher hit me with a ruler! I met her at the door with a loaded .44 and she ain’t gonna to teach no more…
     
    Karl, we used to sing that at the teachers… And we were up to our asses in guns. I had unrestricted access to guns from birth and my own guns by 12… We didn’t shoot each other. We didn’t shoot the teacher…
     
    It’s not guns, and terrorism shouldn’t be discussed with this. I suppose security is better than nothing, but it isn’t the issue. The question is why?
     
    Answer that and you will be doing a public service. I’ll keep my answers to myself for now…

  2. Karlon 02 Oct 2006 at 10:28 pm

    Karl, we used to sing that at the teachers… And we were up to our asses in guns. I had unrestricted access to guns from birth and my own guns by 12… We didn’t shoot each other. We didn’t shoot the teacher…
     
    It’s not guns, and terrorism shouldn’t be discussed with this. I suppose security is better than nothing, but it isn’t the issue. The question is why?
     
    Answer that and you will be doing a public service. I’ll keep my answers to myself for now…

    You miss the point.  As long as we keep having these incidents and openly show our schools to be unprotected, we are essentially laying out a welcome mat to another Beslan.

    Why make it easy for them, and hand them targets?

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