Oct 12 2006
Tina Nole revisited, and a story with a surprise ending
Last month I debated (in comments and a blog) KIRO Radio (710 am) producer Tina Nole.
Ms Nole it seems had some contentious opinions about rape and terrorism which I took to task to a degree.
She responded to me a while back and I have been debating rebutting her response. The problem was that her response was mostly simple contradiction and restatement of her arguments, while mostly ignoring my points, so I really didn’t see the point. Beating dead horses and all that.
I heard her on the radio though and she was again going after those evil men in our society. This time their crime was making disrespectful comments towards pretty girls.
Granted, I agree with her fundamental premise, that a woman who is wearing a low cut blouse or some other flattering clothing has not given every Lenny and Squiggy on the planet permission or license to make disgusting noises or lewd comments.
But again she took it to such lengths that any reasonable hope of making a point was lost in the rhetoric and exaggerations.
In that, a toast to Tina. At least you are consistent.
Well a news item I read today, also made me think of Ms Nole, as it dealt with date rape.
It goes like this:
A baby is found abandoned in a trash can in 1995. A tragedy we all can agree on. The mother was finally identified, and her story was surprisingly sympathetic.
19 years old, she was a victim of date rape. (AHA! says Tina….)
In November 1995, Davis left her daughter in a trash bin at Ohio Dominican College, where she was a student. The girl survived, and Davis was convicted of child endangering.
She wrote "Sacred Womb" and formed Second Chance of Life, a nonprofit group aimed at preventing teen pregnancies and providing alternatives for young mothers who don’t want to keep their babies.
Her work led to appearances on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" and "20/20."
So a happy ending? Her daughter survived the abandonment, her life after her conviction is a wellspring of hope for other victims, a wonderful example and inspiration.
There is just one little problem.
She lied.
Turns out she wasn’t date raped after all. She had instead had a consensual sexual relationship…with her cousin…AGE 12.
Yes, age 12.
Move over Mary Kay Letourneau.
Here is the rest of the article I quoted above.
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — A woman who lied about getting pregnant through date rape and abandoned her newborn in a trash bin was sentenced to prison for the statutory rape of the baby’s father, her 12-year-old cousin.
Twyana Davis, 30, claimed in 1995 that she had been raped at a party, and told her story in a book and on television.
Davis was sentenced Tuesday in Franklin County Common Pleas Court to 10 to 25 years in prison. She had confessed to having a sexual relationship with the cousin, leading to her pregnancy.
Judge Michael J. Holbrook labeled her a sexual predator and fined her $10,000.
She told the judge she is trying to become a better person.
"With all respect to you, there is a judge we all have to stand before some time," she said.
So the abused becomes the abuser. The rape victim suddenly is a rapist. How interesting.
Of course her lawyer took a few swipes at the blame game.
Davis confessed to clear her conscience and claimed the sex was consensual, said defense attorney Byron Potts. He blamed her actions on a poor upbringing and abuse when she was a child.
Doesn’t matter. You raped a 12 year old boy and then lied and blamed someone else for raping you falsely.
While I will grant that her actions afterward were redemptive, it still has to be accounted that she victimized 2 children in the course of this. I wonder if she ever actually accused anyone of rape? Was there a trial and a falsely accused man?
And I have to wonder why they gave her custody of the daughter she trashed in 2000?
The baby’s father meanwhile has had problems of his own.
http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=181844
Her daughter’s DNA has since been matched to the cousin, now a 23-year-old inmate serving time for rape and aggravated robbery at the Lebanon Correctional Institution.
How ironic. I wonder if his own rape was a contributor, and whether his lawyer used that in his trial?
Well, enjoy prison. You earned it. Your legacy will live on in your absence in the rapist you raped, and in the child you once again are abandoning.
IDIOT!
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I’m interested to know to what lengths you think I took that argument?? I simply said it was disrespectful. The program I was invited to participate in was The Micheal Medved show - Micheal and I are at polar political opposites and in the end agreed on this particular issue. Concerning the fact that men who ogle women can be annoying and disrespectful and so they should be called out on their behavior. That’s all.
Seems strange to me that you call yourself common sense…
I dont have an audio reference handy so it is hard for me to respond over two weeks after I wrote it.
I think my beef with your arguments is your tendency to overgeneralize the problem. Yes, we all agree that men who whistle and make rude comments are pigs. That however is not an indictment of all men, and frankly my sense is that you tend to lean in that direction.
This was apparent in your previous rape assessments where you left common sense behind in some of the lengths you took your arguement. But I digress.
I fully agree that rude men should be called out on their behavior. Period. Just as I said that rapists should be called out for their actions. And most men I know agree with me on both counts.
I have no problem endorsing an attitude of civilized behavior in social settings.
But I also think that some women exacerbate the problem with their own behavior and choices. You bring up common sense. well is it common sense to think that if a pretty woman wears a low cut blouse and exposes a large amount of cleavage, or a shjort skirt that shows a lot of thigh that some men will not take note? I seem to recall that you took exception to this concept.
I think some women who wear such clothing and expect not to be noticed are acting nonsensically. I also and cynical enough about human behavior that I think some women wear said clothing and expect comments. Some like the comments and thrive on the attention. Some do so however a baiting game to chastise the men who rise to the occassion.
In other words there are far too many variables to make it an easy discussion.
And also I am curious if you draw a disctinctoin between the different levels of notice that our hypothetical man might take:
looking, double taking, staring, checking out, leering and oogling.
At what point does his notice draw into forbiddon territory? Is it only when it becomes verbal?