Comments on: Breaking: 6 Middle Eastern Men Removed From Flight at MSP- Updated, looks like an over reaction.

By: Karl

Karl — Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:34:48 +0000

1.Not everyone celebrates Christmas.
2.Christmas is not the only holiday celebrated this time of year.
For stores to say "Happy Holidays" in an effort to recognize this makes sense.

I cannot say I disagree, but at the same time, Christmas is also a National Holiday and a part of our culture in a way more the just the traditional celebration of the Nativity,

In a strange irony, where the Christians have for decades complained ttha the over-comercialism of Christmas has cheapened the sanctity of the Christ Mass, in reality that same commercialism and mass marketing has created the basis of the argument to keep the word Christmas in the Holiday.

Kwanzaa and Hannuukah have never approached the wide acceptance of Christmas in modern culture. Look at the near universal acceptence of Christmas in movies throught the years, including ther 24 hour marathon presentation of A Christmas Story every year.

And stores having their employees keep it at Happy Holidays does NOT consititute a "War on Christmas" even though there was a big focus on that last year.

I Might agree, but too many stores in a frantic fear of being politically incorrect went too far, by banning christmas entirely. If you want to provide balance, you do not do so by removing all the weights from the scale.

As far as the other big issue that comes up, "Nativity Scenes", I agree that if they are not allowed, there should not be symbols for other religions. Although, usually it’s not as elaborate Nativity scenes tend to be, so really, the best compromises are either no acknowledgement or allow a simple symbol for each.

I cant say i disagree.

By: Thom

Thom — Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:31:43 +0000

"you have to convince me that sanitizing Christma is smart,"For stores, it makes more sense to say "Happy Holidays".1.Not everyone celebrates Christmas.2.Christmas is not the only holiday celebrated this time of year.For stores to say "Happy Holidays" in an effort to recognize this makes sense. And stores having their employees keep it at Happy Holidays does NOT consititute a "War on Christmas" even though there was a big focus on that last year. As far as the other big issue that comes up, "Nativity Scenes", I agree that if they are not allowed, there should not be symbols for other religions. Although, usually it’s not as elaborate Nativity scenes tend to be, so really, the best compromises are either no acknowledgement or allow a simple symbol for each.

By: Tel-Chai Nation

Tel-Chai Nation — Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:19:35 +0000

Six imams detained at Minneapolis airport…

The reason is because they basically tried to intimdate the other passengers. This letter on Jihad Watch thanking the authorities for doing their job can help give some insight into that….

By: Karl

Karl — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:41:15 +0000

you have to convince me that sanitizing Christma is smart, but point taken.

But the problem that is at the root of this mess, and this is again the ugly truth no one wants to verbalize, is that the Muslim Jihadists are religious fanatics in the course of their suicide attacks, so any outward displays of faith are going to be looked at askance, particularly in an airport.

And as i said, since from all indications such open displays of prayer are apparently *not* common, they will have to undergo scrutiny to seperate them from the others.

And the question stands. If evening prayers are the norm, why were they not the norm before, and why the push to normalize now?

The paranoid can easily say that the push to accept them now is a screen to make the more fanatical oens blend in.

I dont say that, but I can understand why others might.

By: Thom

Thom — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:32:17 +0000

Sure. However, I can’t help but believe that if some people did the same about a Christian openly praying, Christian response would be the same…decry it as religious intolerance. Heck, we have to hear about the supposed "war on Christmas" simply because stores do the smart thing and say "happy holidays".

By: Karl

Karl — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:57:57 +0000

Make sure you are clear as to what I was referring to.

The allegation was made that these 6 guys were doing their eveningprayers just like 6 million muslims world wide.

My question is then why were the airport people so surprised? if this was so commonplace, then there should have been no surprise as they had to have noticed muslims praying before.

Yes, I grant that the passengers paranoia is a factor, but I think some of the Muslims are making a point of being "in your face" with it now, where as they did not before. And my question is why are they? Were they supressing it before, and refuse to do so now? Or are then enhancing it now to prove they can?

I think there is a valid discussion there.

By: Thom

Thom — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:46:22 +0000

Wait a second, why do you assume we have never seen this before?

By: Assorted Babble by Suzie

Assorted Babble by Suzie — Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:05:25 +0000

Six Muslims Removed from U.S. Airways Flight…

Are we ignorant of Islam and the their normal evening prayer routine? Is this what we are suppose to accept on our future flights?
as 1.7 billion Muslims around the world do every day, Shahin said. He attributed any concerns by passengers or crew to…..

By: NW Bloggers

NW Bloggers — Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:24:06 +0000

Breaking: 6 Middle Eastern Men Removed From Flight at MSP…

HT Sister Toldjah:
http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S20152.html?cat=1 
5 EYEWITNESS NEWS has learned that federal investigators and airport police are questioning six Middle Eastern men who had to be escorted off of a plane Monday afternoon at …