Feb 06 2007

Gay Marriage proponents strike back: Bill requires married couples to have children or face annullment

Published by Karl at 1:55 am under Gays, Idiots, Stupid Laws

http://www.komotv.com/news/local/5566451.html

Proponents of same-sex marriage have introduced an initiative that would put a whole new twist on traditional unions between men and women: It would require heterosexual couples to have kids within three years or else have their marriages annulled.

Initiative 957 was filed by the Washington Defense of Marriage Alliance, which was formed last summer after the state Supreme Court upheld Washington’s ban on same-sex marriage. In that 5-4 ruling, the court found that state lawmakers were justified in passing the 1998 Defense of Marriage Act, which restricts marriage to unions between a man and woman.

Under I-957, marriage would be limited to men and women who are able to have children. Couples would be required to prove they can have children to get a marriage license, and if they did not have children within three years, their marriages would be subject to annulment

Of course its absurd.  The sponsors, the Washington Defense of Marriage Alliance, readily admit it.

"Absurd? Very," the group says on its Web site, which adds it is planning two more initiatives involving marriage and procreation.

But they feel that the state opened the door.

"But there is a rational basis for this absurdity. By floating the initiatives, we hope to prompt discussion about the many misguided assumptions" underlying the Supreme Court’s ruling.

…Gadow noted that the Supreme Court’s majority decision specifically mentioned procreation throughout.

The opinion written by Justice Barbara Madsen concluded that "limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples furthers the state’s interests in procreation and encouraging families with a mother and father and children biologically related to both."

Gadow said the argument is unfair when you’re dealing with same-sex couples who are unable to have children together.

"What we are trying to do is display the discrimination that is at the heart of last year’s ruling," he said.

Merits of gay marriage aside, by framing the debate as involving procreation, the Starte Supreme Court opened the door to arguments about having children as well as the validity and relevence of heterosexual marriage.

But the more vocal opponents of gay marriage remind us that they have never used procreation as their banner:

Cheryl Haskins, executive director of Allies for Marriage & Children, agreed with Gadow’s group on at least one point about the initiative: "It’s absurd," she said 

Haskins said opponents of same-sex marriage "have never said that the sole purpose of marriage is procreation."

"When we talk about defending the institution of marriage, we’re talking about the union of a man and a woman," she said. "Some of those unions produce children and some of them don’t."

They have their critics:

Even the Legislature’s most prominent proponent of same-sex marriage, Sen. Ed Murray, D-Seattle, said he thought the initiative was misguided. While the "absurdity" of the Supreme Court decision should be discussed, that discussion needs to take place in the Legislature, he said.

"I don’t think the initiative process should be used to determine the rights and protections of marriage," he said.

He missed the real issue.  The issue is that marriage regardless of where you stand on gay marriage is a serious subject. 

What I object to, even as I grudgingly acknowledge the group’s chuzpah, is the cheapening of the concept by the ridicule and trivilaity of the measures, and the subversion of the state’s initiative process for their little joke. They are not intended to be serious.

Gadow said that if the group’s initiatives were passed, the Supreme Court would be forced to strike them down as unconstitutional, which he believes would weaken the original ruling upholding the Defense of Marriage Act.

But he said he highly doubts any of the initiatives will pass, and that they are being done "in the spirit of political street theater."

"Our intention is not to actually put this into law," he said. "All we want is to get this on the ballot and cause people to talk about it."

Fair enough I suppose.  Debate is its own reward sometimes.  But when the debate is framed so absurdely, will it really offer any real debate?  I doubt it.

The measure’s backers said the two additional initiatives they plan would prohibit divorce or separation when a married couple has children, and would make having a child together the equivalent of marriage.

More then likely this will do nothing but energize the conservatives who will reject the humor and obvious absurdity and launch a new campaign defending marriage.  Literalism is dangerous.

In that regard the conservatives are their own worst enemy, and these groups enjoy exploiting that.

And there is also the fact that heterosexual couples have not been kind to marriage. Many people on all sides of the debate point out that a better argument would be in making marrage a more responsible institution in general.  I would like to see conservatives deal with that more effectively.  Maybe gay marriage would do that, though I doubt it would change that aspect at all. 

In Canada they legalized gay marriage, and in less then a year they had their first gay divorce.  Maybe if the  gays had to deal with pre-nups, divorce lawyers, judges, family law courts, mediation, property settlements and my personal favorite, alimony, they would say no thanks.

Personally I still favor divesting the government of all control in marrage.

Rather then redefine marriage, it would be nice to fix it.  And step one is getting the state out of the business of controlling it in the first place.  Culling the lawyers would be step two.

2 Responses to “Gay Marriage proponents strike back: Bill requires married couples to have children or face annullment”

  1. Maggie M. Thorntonon 10 Feb 2007 at 4:06 pm

    This is the way our children should grow up. And…the young woman (or girl) who responded to your daughter probably doesn’t receive an ounce  of parental wisdom. What kind of parent wants their child to grow-up thinking they are a victim?Good for your daughter!Maggie M. ThorntonMaggie’s Notebook | Conservative Blog

  2. Joe McLellanon 15 Feb 2007 at 3:39 am

    I agree, straight couples should have to produce children. If marriage is so sacred, than they should not have a problem. I just can not understand why gay marriage is so wrong. We just want the same protected rights as a straight couple.
    I even know straight couples that should not reproduce, two wrong does not make it right.
    Sincerely,
    Joe

Trackback URI | Comments RSS

Leave a Reply

You can track future comments on this post via this RSS feed. You can trackback this post by pinging this URL.

Allowed HTML: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>

  • Welcome to Leaning Straight Up


    Contact Me
    My Seattle PI Blog
    My Website

    I am unapologetic
    about being patriotic

    We Must Not Forget


    Leaning Straight Up Honors:
    Robert William McPadden, age 30

  • Buy Me A Pony

    Thank you for supporting Leaning Straight Up
  • Recent Comments

  • Recent Posts

  • Categories

  •  

    February 2007
    M T W T F S S
    « Jan   Mar »
     1234
    567891011
    12131415161718
    19202122232425
    262728  
  • Archives



  • Hosted by:


    Banner

    blogroll

    Blogroll Me!


    *** - Recently Updated

    Recommended Reading




  • Advertisers




    Support My Sponsors


    Find Nutrisystem Reviews.



    Blognet News




    Mailing List


    Sign up to be notified of new posts

    What People are saying about LSU


    “Good blog from a new reader." ~ Lars Larson, Syndicated Talk Radio Host

    "I really was blown away by the depth of your writing -- do you write for a living? If not, why not? Count me among YOUR fans." ~ Melanie Morgan, Syndicated Talk Radio Host

    "One of the best Northwest Blogs" ~ Bryan Suits, Radio Talk Show Host KFI 640am

    "Not trying to blow smoke up your butt, but you turn a nice phrase - even though we often disagree!" ~ Ken Schram, Northwest Radio and Television Commentator

    New blog recommendation: ST reader Karl’s blog Leaning Straight Up ~ Sister Toldjah, Nationally recognized blogger

    "It’s a well-written blog and it was enjoying to read through."
    ~ Jon Fredkove, Strategic Name Development







  • Site Stats



  • Syndications