Mar 20 2007

Iraq at 4 and a Christopher Hitchens must read

Published by Karl at 12:07 am under Iraq, Liberals

The 4 years mark was of course marked with the usual moonbat protests.

What is ironic is how the Socialists are hijacking the anti war movement to move us closer to Socialism.  They contend that if we stop funding for the war we can build school, get socialized medicine, create jobs, build gulags….

Drop in at Little Green Footballs, Hot Air or Michelle Malkin for enough pictures and stories to make your blood boil.  And Sister Toldjah has some great links as well.

LGF includes the mandatory flag burning and the moonbats even burn a US soldier in effigy. 

See how the Liberals support the troops?  The F*** the Troops sign says it all.

Maybe I will catalog that tomorrow.

But behind it all, the question remains about what we are doing and its worth.

Bryan Suits tonight asserted that he could not envision a world today where we did not end up taking out Saddam.  I agree.  It may not have happened 4 years ago, but it would have happened. 

So does Christopher Hitchens.

Here are some excerpts form his must read Slate column.

So, Mr. Hitchens, Weren’t You Wrong About Iraq?

Four years after the first coalition soldiers crossed the Iraqi border, one can attract pitying looks (at best) if one does not take the view that the whole engagement could have been and should have been avoided. Those who were opposed to the operation from the beginning now claim vindication, and many of those who supported it say that if they had known then what they know now, they would have spoken or voted differently.

What exactly does it mean to take the latter position? At what point, in other words, ought the putative supporter to have stepped off the train? The question isn’t as easy to answer as some people would have you believe. Suppose we run through the actual timeline:

Was the president right or wrong to go to the United Nations in September 2002 and to say that body could no longer tolerate Saddam Hussein’s open flouting of its every significant resolution, from weaponry to human rights to terrorism?

A majority of the member states thought he was right and had to admit that the credibility of the United Nations was at stake. It was scandalous that such a regime could for more than a decade have violated the spirit and the letter of the resolutions that had allowed a cease-fire after the liberation of Kuwait. The Security Council, including Syria, voted by nine votes to zero that Iraq must come into full compliance or face serious consequences.

Should it not have been known by Western intelligence that Iraq had no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction?

The entire record of UNSCOM until that date had shown a determination on the part of the Iraqi dictatorship to build dummy facilities to deceive inspectors, to refuse to allow scientists to be interviewed without coercion, to conceal chemical and biological deposits, and to search the black market for materiel that would breach the sanctions. The defection of Saddam Hussein’s sons-in-law, the Kamel brothers, had shown that this policy was even more systematic than had even been suspected. Moreover, Iraq did not account for—has in fact never accounted for—a number of the items that it admitted under pressure to possessing after the Kamel defection. We still do not know what happened to this weaponry. This is partly why all Western intelligence agencies, including French and German ones quite uninfluenced by Ahmad Chalabi, believed that Iraq had actual or latent programs for the production of WMD. Would it have been preferable to accept Saddam Hussein’s word for it and to allow him the chance to re-equip once more once the sanctions had further decayed?

Was the terror connection not exaggerated?

Not by much. The Bush administration never claimed that Iraq had any hand in the events of Sept. 11, 2001. But it did point out, at different times, that Saddam had acted as a host and patron to every other terrorist gang in the region, most recently including the most militant Islamist ones. And this has never been contested by anybody. The action was undertaken not to punish the last attack—that had been done in Afghanistan—but to forestall the next one.

His conclusion nails it:

So, you seriously mean to say that we would not be living in a better or safer world if the coalition forces had turned around and sailed or flown home in the spring of 2003?

That’s exactly what I mean to say.

3 Responses to “Iraq at 4 and a Christopher Hitchens must read”

  1. thehimon 20 Mar 2007 at 11:14 am

    build gulags?

    We already have 25% of the world’s prison population, way more than the Soviets ever locked up. How much more prison space could we possibly need?

  2. Karlon 20 Mar 2007 at 11:38 am

    build gulags?

    We already have 25% of the world’s prison population, way more than the Soviets ever locked up.

    That is not necessarily true. The soviet gulag and exile system locked up millions, estimated at at least 18 million just in Stalin’s lifetime. And they are locked up or exiled without due process or redress more often then not.

    The other problem is there actual number will never be fully known as the Soviets never cleanly disclosed them.

    At least the US prisons as large as they are have access to a legal system and to due process.

    How much more prison space could we possibly need?

    Did I say we did? I just think the socialists and moonbats would happily lock up any conservative in a reeducation camp.

    For our own good of course….

  3. Peter Capotostoon 05 Jun 2007 at 12:01 am

    1)It would be better if we stayed out of other peoples civil wars, and minded our own business.
    2)We should make it clear that:
    If a population cannot control its leader, and its leader goes after us, or our population, we will nail him whether we have an international right to or not. And if there is unintended, and unavoidable, collateral damage to others in the vicinity, we will possibly pay reparations if the population gets its act together after we have taken that leader out.
    3)If a country allows, or cannot control a person, or organization operating within its borders, and that person or organization goes after us, or our population, we will go after that organization, whether we have a right to go after that leader, or not. And if there is unintended, and unavoidable, collateral damage to others in the vicinity, we will possibly pay reparations if the population gets its act together.

    This means, we should have gone after Sadam, because he tried to go after Dubyas daddy. But after the job was done, we should have gotten out.

    Afghanistan, is a similar scenario, but with the backing of the UN, we should stay, till the UN pulls out.

    I am absolutely infuriated at how irresponsible this administration has been and put our troops in harms way, for a USELESS cause. My heart bleeds for all those soldiers who have died, for a useless cause.

    Peter

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