May 10 2007
Radio Shocker: Did Howard Dean order Gov Sebelius to make spurious claims? UPDATE: Here come the denials and audio links added
See below for AM Updates
I heard this on Hannity today and if it turns out to be true it is a huge shocker in the sense that it shows the determination of the democrats to make Bush look bad, but not a real surprise to me because not much they do surprises me any more.
Did Howard Dean order KS gov to lie about FEMA’s response to the Greensburg tornado?
XM Radio’s Quinn & Rose made the allegation that DNC Chairman Howard Dean called Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius early Sunday morning and instructed her not to request federal assistance in recovery from the Greensburg tornado, and to lie about the federal response to date, on their show, The War Room, today. After I discussed the story via phone with both Quinn and Rose today, here’s what they sent me.
PLEASE NOTE: The following is information we have received from a reliable source. We have never been misinformed by this person in the past.
It seems that, on Sunday, a few hours after Kansas Governor, Kathleen Sebelius, made her remarks about Bush sending all their National Guard Members and Resources to Iraq, she made a call to Brownback
Sebelius, was calling to apologize to the Senator for making the Political statements that she did. She explained that she did not believe them and that they actually had too many National Guardsmen show up.
Governor Sebelius explained “Sam, you know how political everything is right now and we’re not allowed to let an opportunity like this just pass.” She continued “I made sure not to blame you or Pat (Senator Roberts?) or anybody outside the White House. With his (Bush’s) numbers, you can’t really blame me for usin’ that.”
Then Sebelius explained the path to her comments. After Brownback told her that he was very disappointed in her, She pleaded “You know me Sam, I wouldn’t have said it if I didn’t have to.” She declared “Howard (Dean) called me around 5 o’clock (in the morning) and told me not to ask The White House for any help or make any statements until I heard back. Dick (Durban?) called me an hour or 2 later and that’s when he told me we needed to use this ‘n’ said to talk about the Guard all bein’ at war.”
She then explained the thinking; “Speaker and Harry got so much heat on them from both sides over this damn war, ‘n’ they need to get the press on somethin’ else. I didn’t think it was right to use it like this either, but I didn’t see’s I had much choice in this climate, Sam.”
She the[n] apologized a few more times and promised that she’d try to move away from the comment when she and Brownback were to meet up later and tour the damage, but she had to so it without disappointing Dean and Pelosi.
I asked them to characterize their source, and they replied that she or he would be in a position to have knowledge of the conversation between Sen. Brownback and Gov. Sebelius and has never misinformed them before. Sean Hannity has called Sen. Brownback’s office to either verify or debunk the story, but so far the senator has done neither. There is word that the senator may attempt a “limited hangout” strategy this weekend, in which he acknowledges that the conversation took place but won’t remember the Dean angle. Such a strategy, if that’s what Sen. Brownback does, might be an attempt to maintain comity in what has until now been by all accounts a smooth relationship between the Democratic governor and Republican officials in Kansas. Comity shouldn’t come at the price of truth, however.
At this point, I have no way of verifying whether DNC Chairman Howard Dean called Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius and instructed her to lie about the federal response to Friday’s devastating tornado. But I will make some calls and see what I can find out. Quinn & Rose’s story does fit the timeline and does fit the Democrat M.O. of late, in which they find a way to blame every single thing under the sun on Bush and on the war in Iraq. Other Democrat governors have pre-emptively blamed the lack of response to disasters that haven’t even happened yet on Bush and the war in Iraq. So on its face the story strikes me as very plausible.
More: Here’s the original post to catch everyone up on Sebelius’ original statements, the WH and Pentagon and Brownback rebuttals, and then Sebelius’ quick climb down. Obama makes his “10,000 dead” gaffe (has anyone seen video of that gem yet?) and Dingy Harry assails the WH long after Sebelius’ original statements had been debunked. **Here’s the Obama gem. Heh. I’d been off the site and missed it when Ian posted it.
I will say that I agree with Bryan at Hot Air that this is feasible, and in line with the recent tactics of Democrats and liberals.
But this is exactly the kind of story I hate the most in that the story is based on an anonymous source and contains unverifiable information. In other words, it is pure hearsay. Unless they can offer support, or Sen Brownback corroborates it, I have to remain skeptical.
If true it is horrible and sickening, but in it's present state it is unfortunately suspect, and pure rumour.
The Democrats love this kind of rumour mongering, and I have often blogged against such stories.
I have to take the same position here. I will watch it develop, but without substantiation, it is just a rumour even if it is possible.
UPDATE: As expected the denials are coming out fast and furious. Also coming are lawyers and cease and desist orders. Here are the updates from Hot Air:
Update: I’ve placed calls to Sen. Brownback, Gov. Sebelius and the DNC. I left a message with Brownback’s office and Gov. Sebelius’ staff. The DNC spokesman denied that the phone call took place and is working on getting an official denial out to me as soon as he can.
Update: The DNC just emailed me two documents, one a letter to XM and the other a letter to Free Republic. In both letters, the DNC denies without equivocation that the conversation between Dean and Sebelius ever took place. Both are C&D notices from the DNC’s lawyers.
The statement made by Mr. Quinn is demonstrable, unequivocally, and absolutely false. Governor Dean had no such conversation with Governor Sebelius, ever.
That’s about as flat a denial as one can get, though it’s interesting that they would resort to C&D notices to combat this story and characterize it as “libelous” and “slanderous” and “interfering with the DNC’s operations and ability to solicit support and raise funds.” The Democrats as a party have been libeling and slandering President Bush with impunity for years. Perhaps the RNC should start slapping them with C&Ds.
But getting back to this story, both Gov. Sebelius and the DNC are flatly denying that the conversation between Dean and Sebelius took place as described. So consider this story killed.
Gateway Pundit is carrying this as well here: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/05/latest-on-kansas-tornado-conspiracy.html
Audio here:
http://www.warroom.com/qandr_break.mp3
http://www.warroom.com/qandr_hannity.mp3
And Finally, the actual statement/accusation issued by Warroom:
BREAKING NEWS From the Quinn and Rose Show
10 May 2007
Same Words -- Different Mouth Piece
By Rose
PLEASE NOTE: The following is information we have received from a reliable source. We have never been misinformed by this person in the past.After Mother Nature did a number on the good people of Kansas, Governor Sebilius did a "Mother" of all numbers on the American people -- especially the people in Greensburg, Kansas.
Kansas Kathleen Sebelius had said that because Bush sent too many of our National Guard Members and resources to Iraq -- there weren't enough left to go around in Kansas. After those remarks to the media, she made a phone call to Senator Sam Brownback (R).
Keep in mind that Governor Sebelius has a decent relationship with Senator Brownback and other Kansas Republicans. In fact, she has, for the most part, led as a moderate rather than a liberal in Kansas.
According to our source; during her phone conversation with the Senator, she offered an excuse for her words to the media. She explained that because everything is so political right now -- she was told not to allow an opportunity like this pass.
She went on to say that "Howard" called her around 5:00 am and told her not to ask the White House for any help, or make any statements until she heard back from him. Then "Dick" (Durbin ?) called her an hour or two later and told her to use the excuse of the Guard being at war.
Hoping Brownback would understand, she apparently went on to say that he had to understand that with everyone feeling the heat about the war, they needed to get press on something else. She said she didn't think it was right to use it like this, but she didn't feel she had much of a choice with current climate.
She also promised that she'd try to move away from the comment when she and Brownback were to meet up later and tour the damage.
This certainly sheds a lot of light on Katrina -- and confirms the suspicions that many of us had at that time. Katrina was engineered in much the same way.
If they are going to read from the same script every time something like this happens, the least they could do is mix it up a little. The are just so darn predictable. They will do anything for political gain.
Brownback should show some spine and tell the American People and the Administration the truth. Where is his sense of deceny -- where is his loyalty to his party? Quinn and I were on Sean Hannity's radio program this afternoon. Sean had invited Senator Brownback to respond. So far, we haven't heard anything from him.
Let me ask this of Senator Brownback; What in the world would you have to lose if you were to be honest about the phone call from the Kansas Governor? Or, perhaps this is the better question; What do you have to gain by protecting Sebelious? Do you honestly think she would be there for you down the road? Do you think she gives a rat's ass about your bid for the Presidency? These aren't people you can count on -- when will we learn this?
Senator Brownback is not exactly the Paul Bunyan of Politics -- but he could be. He has an opportunity to do what no politician has done before him -- tell the truth.
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I was watching Fox early the next morning and saw the Gov (live I believe)and she was already saying how the NG were in Iraq and all their equipt was there. She was more than infering that “Bush’s war” would now hurt the good folks of Kansas.
I was struck for 2 reasons. 1. only hours after the devestation it was obvious that she was playing politics. It was way to early for responses to have any effect, one way or the other. 2. She was playing politics while 1500 (or was that 10,000) were still trying to comprehend the enormity of what had happened to them.
I remember my disgust at what she had obviously chosen to do. Rather than be conscerned for her people she was playing politics. It recalled for me the lies and games played by the Dems after Katrina. The same game. Even the same #’s. Remember the mayor claiming the 10,000 dead. That # from Obama wasn’t new. These people have no morals, no consciencous, no values. It is all about power.
I hope the American voter somehow learns what they really are and makes them pay. I have never been so disgusted by a group of people. Nothing is sacred, nothing is not to be sacrificed if it means winning. For them winning is getting power. It is not about patriotism. It is not about responsibility. It is not about truth. It is not about right. It is all and only about winning.
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